tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post6400855377486726638..comments2023-11-02T10:38:41.186-05:00Comments on Quotidian Grace: Amendment 10-A Fails in New CovenantJody Harringtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08031378214797420014noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post-36980673952229825512010-11-23T20:23:56.935-06:002010-11-23T20:23:56.935-06:00I'm slowly dropping out of my PCUSA congregati...I'm slowly dropping out of my PCUSA congregation over all this. I just can't muster the interest. They've asked me to be on the session because everyone else in our small and shrinking church has been on it so far but me -- no thanks. I'd stop going altogether if it weren't for my kids whom I want to bring up in church and I'm not quite ready to go SBC or PCA, the other options in my small town. (Going to the UMC is trading the fire for the frying pan.) <br /><br />What a mess. Once the liberals win they'll turn on people like me. What's the point of trying? <br /><br />Sorry to provide the counsels of despair but everyone deserves the right to counsel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post-60328679877789340902010-11-17T12:17:57.945-06:002010-11-17T12:17:57.945-06:00Anonymous is correct in saying "our current l...Anonymous is correct in saying "our current language in our current Book of Order does not allow a lot of things when it comes to determining if someone is eligible for ordination..." but the first three cited are not among them. The fourth one cited is clarified by anon's second comment(a single person who is non celibate). And that one is correct. Divorce and remarriage are permitted, Confessions 6.137-138 and women are eligible, Conf. 10.4 line 64 and lawful interest is not usury, Conf. 7.252. Unless I am missing other references, I do not think we violate our Book of Order nor the Confessions on these matters.Harry Slyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13970106627268119168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post-45105172948755933152010-11-16T08:55:14.557-06:002010-11-16T08:55:14.557-06:00Thanks for your even-handed report, QG. The vote ...Thanks for your even-handed report, QG. The vote seems surprisingly close.Christinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post-69910574345838103252010-11-15T07:57:38.493-06:002010-11-15T07:57:38.493-06:00actually 6B prohihibts the ordination of any singl...actually 6B prohihibts the ordination of any single non celibate person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post-65762849188833896692010-11-14T22:33:29.732-06:002010-11-14T22:33:29.732-06:00Grace Presbytery is splitting the votes, too-- but...Grace Presbytery is splitting the votes, too-- but we dealt with NFoG first. It passed by a little less than 200 to a little more than 50.Clay Allardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10126271084869305069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post-24666149114029202612010-11-14T19:50:28.523-06:002010-11-14T19:50:28.523-06:00Lynn, I have served on our presbytery's perman...Lynn, I have served on our presbytery's permanent judicial commission and I know of several cases where charges were brought against a pastor for adultery, resulting in the pastor being "defrocked" or resigning his ordination. It does happen--all too often.Jody Harringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08031378214797420014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post-63315868343234831462010-11-14T19:16:35.619-06:002010-11-14T19:16:35.619-06:00I wonder why no one mentioned the leader who commi...I wonder why no one mentioned the leader who commits adultery which is prohibited according to G-6.0106b. Although I don't know of anyone who was "defrocked" because of adultery, but maybe they should be!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03012532854391172654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post-35012733944821743942010-11-13T22:34:49.226-06:002010-11-13T22:34:49.226-06:00Actually the current language of our current Book ...Actually the current language of our current Book of Order does not allow a lot of things when it comes to determining if someone is eligible for ordination (being divorced and remarried folks, being female, earning interest, and living with your significant other prior to marriage) because it says that, when it comes to determining if someone is eligible for ordination, what the confessions say about sinful behavior has the same weight as scripture (so much for sola scriptura). It's just that we only enforce the prohibition on the ordination of homosexuals who are not celibate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post-69449671978971026462010-11-13T16:19:03.417-06:002010-11-13T16:19:03.417-06:00Ahhhh, yes, we have that little lot to look forwar...Ahhhh, yes, we have that little lot to look forward to in May at General Assembly. The Special Commission set up for this comes back with their report...<br />Just hoping it's not all too toxic.Nikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03500372331937107264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post-10325748074400766292010-11-13T16:13:34.903-06:002010-11-13T16:13:34.903-06:00Nik--
How nice to have a question from the Mother ...Nik--<br />How nice to have a question from the Mother Ship!<br />The debate is about permitting the ordination of non celibate homosexual persons to office as deacon, elder or minister of word and sacrament.<br />The current language of our book of order does not allow it, but the proposed amendment would permit presbyteries to make that decision on a "local option" basis.Jody Harringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08031378214797420014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post-38911821302024324712010-11-13T16:08:53.685-06:002010-11-13T16:08:53.685-06:00Hey QG - so, for this Scottish Presby, wot's t...Hey QG - so, for this Scottish Presby, wot's the debate?Nikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03500372331937107264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post-82039108107248933342010-11-13T16:03:57.675-06:002010-11-13T16:03:57.675-06:00Yes, these are complex issues. Particularly the nF...Yes, these are complex issues. Particularly the nFog which will be voted up or down. It's good that presbyteries are providing study opportunities and not trying to bundle all these issues into one meeting.Jody Harringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08031378214797420014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11496473.post-81279494301414708982010-11-13T15:59:25.049-06:002010-11-13T15:59:25.049-06:00our Presbytery is also splitting this into two mee...our Presbytery is also splitting this into two meetings, and having small groups study the various things and report on them with hour-long learning opportunities for the group of amendments, the nFog, and Belhar. It sounds like we're not the only ones going all out and taking the voting much more seriously than usual this year. I'm glad!!Terihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10838436991138846332noreply@blogger.com